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	<title>Comments on: True Experimentation: Finding Search Engine Rules On Your Own</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keyword Density and Relative Keyword Location &#124; Peanuts to Profits With Thor Schrock</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-3824</link>
		<dc:creator>Keyword Density and Relative Keyword Location &#124; Peanuts to Profits With Thor Schrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] True Experimentation blog explains the concept of relative distance as it relates to keyword density: For example, let’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] True Experimentation blog explains the concept of relative distance as it relates to keyword density: For example, let’s [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Choosing your SEO testing grounds &#124; SEO Scientist - Applying the scientific method to SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Choosing your SEO testing grounds &#124; SEO Scientist - Applying the scientific method to SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-1761</guid>
		<description>[...] is all over the place lately. Firstly there is the excellent post by our old favorite XMCP about all the things to keep in mind when setting up an SEO test (and my follow up post). Then there is an interesting test about Google preference for different [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is all over the place lately. Firstly there is the excellent post by our old favorite XMCP about all the things to keep in mind when setting up an SEO test (and my follow up post). Then there is an interesting test about Google preference for different [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Designing SEO Experiments - a different angle &#124; SEO Scientist - Applying the scientific method to SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Designing SEO Experiments - a different angle &#124; SEO Scientist - Applying the scientific method to SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-1245</guid>
		<description>[...] have thoroughly enjoyed SlightlyShadySEO&#8217;s post about designing SEO experiments. If you haven&#8217;t read it yet, go do that now, it gives quite a comprehensive list of all the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] have thoroughly enjoyed SlightlyShadySEO&#8217;s post about designing SEO experiments. If you haven&#8217;t read it yet, go do that now, it gives quite a comprehensive list of all the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding The Basics of System Exploitation : Slightly Shady SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Understanding The Basics of System Exploitation : Slightly Shady SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-782</guid>
		<description>[...] True Experimentation: Finding Search Engine Rules On Your Own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Getting back in the Loop and starting a new year. &#124; Wingnut SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting back in the Loop and starting a new year. &#124; Wingnut SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-754</guid>
		<description>[...] of a computer after a long break, staring at the screen trying to figure out what I&#8217;m doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of a computer after a long break, staring at the screen trying to figure out what I&#8217;m doing.</p>
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		<title>By: imagenesis</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>imagenesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright so its not mod_rewrite. You know I feel like shit for asking. In fact don't answer, nvm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright so its not mod_rewrite. You know I feel like shit for asking. In fact don&#8217;t answer, nvm.</p>
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		<title>By: No Time For The Suckas</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>No Time For The Suckas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-655</guid>
		<description>@Vaqif -- Not to diminish XMCP's contribution,  but don't go badmouthing Eli -- he's not a bullshitter.

True,  many people 'try' ideas from Eli's blog and don't get results as good as Eli claims.  For instance,  consider the original &lt;a HREF="http://www.bluehatseo.com/100s-of-linkshour-automated-introduction-to-black-hole-seo/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Black Hole SEO&lt;/A&gt; article.  Many people have tried following his instructions and gotten no links at all -- that's because Eli didn't spell out exactly where the scrapers are looking and where they are looking for.

On the other hand,  if you're doing a vigorous job of promoting your sites in various channels,  you're most likely getting scraper links.

Let's consider a little example where names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Suppose you post a news story to a social bookmarking site like Mixx that has the word "flying" in the title.  You might find there is a site with a name like "flying.my-splog-empire.mx" that sucks up the text of the Mixx post and stuffs it into a stock wordpress install -- didn't even change the template.  He's even kind enough to send you a trackback so you know that he did it...  Too bad he gets rejected by Askimet.

A little investigation shows that he has at least 100 of these things running on the same IP address.

At the moment I'm happy to get a little "force multiplier" from him -- I can't complain about getting two or three links for the effort of one.

If,  on the other hand,  you do a little investigation,  you could certainly find a situation where you could feed a scraper enough content to generate hundreds of links an hour... Like Eli says. But you gotta think a bit and work a bit.

A lot of Eli's stuff is like that -- once you start thinking about it,  and using it,  you discover deeper and deeper truths.

The other day I came across a Sucka who started a porn affiliate site with Wordpress,  did one referrer spam to get it a backlink from a .gov site,  and he thinks he's Hugh Hefner...  Suckas like that aren't going to make $50 a day following instructions from ANY blog -- there's a reason why they are poor and "The Rich Jerk" has all the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vaqif &#8212; Not to diminish XMCP&#8217;s contribution,  but don&#8217;t go badmouthing Eli &#8212; he&#8217;s not a bullshitter.</p>
<p>True,  many people &#8216;try&#8217; ideas from Eli&#8217;s blog and don&#8217;t get results as good as Eli claims.  For instance,  consider the original <a HREF="http://www.bluehatseo.com/100s-of-linkshour-automated-introduction-to-black-hole-seo/" rel="nofollow">Black Hole SEO</a> article.  Many people have tried following his instructions and gotten no links at all &#8212; that&#8217;s because Eli didn&#8217;t spell out exactly where the scrapers are looking and where they are looking for.</p>
<p>On the other hand,  if you&#8217;re doing a vigorous job of promoting your sites in various channels,  you&#8217;re most likely getting scraper links.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider a little example where names have been changed to protect the guilty.</p>
<p>Suppose you post a news story to a social bookmarking site like Mixx that has the word &#8220;flying&#8221; in the title.  You might find there is a site with a name like &#8220;flying.my-splog-empire.mx&#8221; that sucks up the text of the Mixx post and stuffs it into a stock wordpress install &#8212; didn&#8217;t even change the template.  He&#8217;s even kind enough to send you a trackback so you know that he did it&#8230;  Too bad he gets rejected by Askimet.</p>
<p>A little investigation shows that he has at least 100 of these things running on the same IP address.</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m happy to get a little &#8220;force multiplier&#8221; from him &#8212; I can&#8217;t complain about getting two or three links for the effort of one.</p>
<p>If,  on the other hand,  you do a little investigation,  you could certainly find a situation where you could feed a scraper enough content to generate hundreds of links an hour&#8230; Like Eli says. But you gotta think a bit and work a bit.</p>
<p>A lot of Eli&#8217;s stuff is like that &#8212; once you start thinking about it,  and using it,  you discover deeper and deeper truths.</p>
<p>The other day I came across a Sucka who started a porn affiliate site with Wordpress,  did one referrer spam to get it a backlink from a .gov site,  and he thinks he&#8217;s Hugh Hefner&#8230;  Suckas like that aren&#8217;t going to make $50 a day following instructions from ANY blog &#8212; there&#8217;s a reason why they are poor and &#8220;The Rich Jerk&#8221; has all the money.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much! I'm 19, and still an undergrad at Michigan State.

The link structure I talked about before is actually my current setup, and appears to work excellent. Everything is open to tweaks of course, but it seems to work quite well. I need to mess with the dynamic linking part still(this code is kind of rapidly expanding), but the tests thus far have gone incredible.
Glad to hear from ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much! I&#8217;m 19, and still an undergrad at Michigan State.</p>
<p>The link structure I talked about before is actually my current setup, and appears to work excellent. Everything is open to tweaks of course, but it seems to work quite well. I need to mess with the dynamic linking part still(this code is kind of rapidly expanding), but the tests thus far have gone incredible.<br />
Glad to hear from ya!</p>
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		<title>By: Vagif Kuliyev</title>
		<link>http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/true-experimentation-finding-search-engine-rules-on-your-own/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Vagif Kuliyev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are fucking incredible. How old are you and what college do you got to? Probably some of the best article I've ever read. Dont even closely compare to Eli's, which for the most part were half-bullshit. Very nice. 

I'm not referring to this post, but your other articles in general. 

How accurate is the link structure you discussed for blackhat sites (based on experimental design or theory?, ie main page links to 100 backlinked subpages, etc etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are fucking incredible. How old are you and what college do you got to? Probably some of the best article I&#8217;ve ever read. Dont even closely compare to Eli&#8217;s, which for the most part were half-bullshit. Very nice. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not referring to this post, but your other articles in general. </p>
<p>How accurate is the link structure you discussed for blackhat sites (based on experimental design or theory?, ie main page links to 100 backlinked subpages, etc etc).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh this is a good point. But remember, the sandbox doesn't ALWAYS show up. A lot of times you can skip it. But yes, interaction with the sandbox does torch our luck. I never thought of that perspective on why the sandbox exists though. It makes sense. A lot of sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh this is a good point. But remember, the sandbox doesn&#8217;t ALWAYS show up. A lot of times you can skip it. But yes, interaction with the sandbox does torch our luck. I never thought of that perspective on why the sandbox exists though. It makes sense. A lot of sense.</p>
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